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CHICAGO (CBS) — A motoring gadfly is challenging arguments that a blanket of speed enforcement cameras will improve safety for Chicago schoolchildren.

As WBBM Newsradio’s John Cody reports, “ticket doctor” Barnet Fagel believes the cameras approved by Gov. Pat Quinn on Monday will actually reduce safety.

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“When they focus on the speedometer, they’re not looking at the traffic in front of them, or the pedestrians, or bicycles,” he said.

Attention to the road is more important than speed, Fagel said.

“They should keep their eyes on the road, and not have to worry so much about the speed, but how to control the speed,” he said.

The city insists that slower speeds will save lives. For that reason, Mayor Rahm Emanuel has been pushing for speed enforcement cameras with 1/8 of a mile, or one city block, around schools between 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. each weekday.

The legislation approved by Gov. Quinn this week also allows speed enforcement cameras to be used within 1/8 of a mile around parks from one hour before the parks open to one hour after they close. This means the cameras will only be shut off between midnight and 5 a.m.

Right now, the city has red light cameras in 79 locations within a 1/8 of a mile of a school or park. But a published report said the proposed legislation to allow speed cameras in the city showed the legislation would allow at least 47 percent of the city to be covered by the cameras – not including areas around colleges and universities.

The owner of an offending vehicle would be mailed a ticket, and would be subject to a fine of up to $50 for being caught driving 6 to 10 miles an hour over the speed limit. Drivers going 10 miles an hour or more over the limit would be fined up to $100. Fines would be doubled if they are not paid on time and five unpaid fines would result in the loss of the owner’s driver’s license.

The bill goes into effect July 1.

As for Fagel, he started out in electronics and became interested in red light cameras. He now appears as a court expert for attorneys challenging traffic tickets.

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  • Jim

    Just like our wonderful school system, Rahm is using our children as pawns to generate more income…but remember that it’s for the kids!

    • WetNurse

      That’s right, as Quinn puts it; if we save one child’s life, we save the world. What?

  • brotten

    Even if they could control the speed for us and have the car hooked to a computer to slow it down, It dosen’t matter. This is about making money, not safety. Just like all the photo enforced cameras. They move the cameras when they are not lucrative anymore. Dont even go there with IDOT and the toll situation. Safety is a mask for making money. Money is made when there are accidents as well. This is win win for all forms of gov.

  • gibson

    If you wanted safety put in speed bumps near schools are parks – that will slow them down. However you choose to spend millions of dollars to generate millions of dollars. Are these cameras on all the time or only when schools and parks are open? I don’t like this idea and hope the experts get the public behind them.

    • Roberta Waker

      Speed bumps are a great idea, but the problem arises when it snows and the blades on the snow trucks chew up the speed bumps, which will have to be replaced or repaired often. Speed cameras aren’t the solution either. Citizens trained to write speeding tickets in school zones might be a good idea because the police can’t cover ALL the schools.

  • Tony

    Both Quinn and Rham are liars. No spine no truth. This is it? This is the best government heads can do to fix the financial woes of the city of Chicago. Another form of taxation without representation. How about cutting all the perks to those who wait to get “paid by the government for doing nothing or the illegal immigrants. Yes immigrants. It works like this people, if a family of four take in an addition ten kids without an increase in income how do you thing they will do financially?

  • tom sharp

    Totally agree. Also, think about the fact that less than one-tenth of one percent of the texting and cell phone use violators get ticketed because Rahm and Top Cop can’t be bothered with that. They can go by a crowded school at dismissal time texting away at 25 MPH or less with impunity. But god help you if you have both hands on the wheel watching the road at 26 MPH at say 11 a.m. when no kids are outside!

  • PAT

    kids are being shot at schoosl and parks not ran over by cars . DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT!!!

  • Just Axin

    Sure, Rahm and Quinn are to blame, but our state reps and state senators sent him this POS legislation. Call your reps and tell them to rescind this bad bill. If you don’t take steps to get rid of this, stop complaining

    • mark

      I called and wrote to Quinn, didn’t help much since I am just a peon. Quinn also bows low to Prince Emmanuel and his King, Obama.

  • mark

    the signs presently posted say 20 mph on school days when children are present. However we are now told that it is 20 mph from 6 am to 10 pm. Seems to me this proves that it isn’t about safety, but about generating revenue. What the heck are we gonna slow down for? A squirrel? Kids go to school in the morning and go home in the afternoon. I have no problem going slower at these times, but you can’t even go fast around schools at these times anyway because every kid gets driven to school . Lets make it no cars around schools at all so that the fat lazy parents have to walk there fat lazy kids to school. With all the schools on major arterial streets now days, what are we gonna do there? 35 mph to 20 mph or pay 100 bucks? Get rear ended by reducing speed too fast for the guy behind you? We have to reduce speed even though all the kids are in school behind there desks, or pay 100 bucks? What a joke. Laws like this will bring out revolution from the public. And a little revolution every now and then is good for government. We need elected officials who are innovative, not power hungry.

  • JeanSC

    A fellow lay-person said elsewhere that most car-pedestrian collisions are the result of right-of-way violations, not speeding. Not to absolve motorists, but children should be taught from a young age how to be “orderly” pedestrians and obey all the traffic rules applying to pedestrians – and how to be defensive when walking, since pedestrians of any age are at a disadvantage vs. vehicles in a crash. When I was a schoolkid, there were crossing guards at all streets. A lady working for the Chicago Police managed things at the main crossing. At the side street crossings, older schoolboys wearing crossing-guard belts made sure the other kids didn’t cross until it was safe – we obeyed their commands or could be reported – which was basically requiring “defensive walking” of us. They had no authority to ask drivers to yield to us. This system worked perfectly. These student crossing guards finished their walks to school after the others had all passed by.

  • JeanSC

    A fellow lay-person said elsewhere that most car-pedestrian collisions are the result of right-of-way violations, not speeding. Not to absolve motorists, but children should be taught from a young age how to be “orderly” pedestrians and obey all the traffic rules applying to pedestrians – and how to be defensive
    when walking, since pedestrians of any age are at a disadvantage vs. vehicles in a crash. When I was a schoolkid, there were crossing guards at all streets.
    A lady working for the Chicago Police managed things at the main crossing. At the side street crossings, older schoolboys wearing crossing-guard belts made sure the other kids didn’t cross until it was safe – we obeyed their commands or could be reported – which was basically requiring “defensive walking” of us. They had no authority to ask drivers to yield to us. This system worked perfectly. These student crossing guards finished their walks to school after the others had all passed by.

  • Jerry

    People rahm and Quinn are not to blame you people have time to sit here on a news blog and B!tch about something you should be at the Mayors office right now with your signs. Yes it’s an inconvenience but it is one of those things you need to take a hard stand on. So get off your ass and go, go now just do it, if one does soon others will follow everyone hates this law!

    • Jerry

      Just remember be peaceful and mature

      • tom sharp

        I agree, if you don’t do this at least remember: TERM LIMITS OF ONE!! At next month’s primary and in November.

    • Jerry Too

      Could you learn to use punctuation? I hope you don’t write the signs

      • Jerry

        @Jerry Too

        Funny, as you leave off the period from your own statement. HYPOCRITE MR. PERFECT!

  • Jim

    It’s a money grab.

  • Bob

    Since no children have been killed this year or last year by any driver near a school, it sounds like a good idea. (Insert Sarcasm) Yet, 5 children have been killed from falling televisions and furniture this year alone. Hey Rahm, how about putting cameras in everyone homes so you can monitor those dangerous TVs.

  • James Walker

    Speed and red light cameras are about MONEY, not safety. IF safety is the true goal (rare for posted speed limits), then posted limits are set at the 85th percentile speed of free flowing traffic under good conditions (typically 5 to 15 mph higher than currently). This maximizes safety for everyone. Similarly, IF safety is the true goal for intersection safety, which it is NOT in Chicago, then the yellow intervals are timed for the ACTUAL 85th percentile approach speeds. Chicago deliberately and maliciously times the yellows too short for maximum safety, and instead times them too short for maximum ticket camera revenue. It is a total scam for revenue, NOT for safety.
    See the science on our website on both issues. Then call your state officials to demand this new speed camera bill be repealed. Call Chicago officials to demand that NO new cameras be installed and all existing ones be removed.
    James C. Walker, National Motorists Association, http://www.motorists.org, Ann Arbor, MI (frequent visitor to Chicagoland)

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