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SPRINGFIELD, Ill. (CBS) — Illinois public school teachers and retirees could have reason to worry about the kinds of pension checks they will be getting down the line.

As WBBM Newsradio’s Bernie Tafoya reports, the state has been writing IOUs to the Illinois Teachers Retirement System for decades, underfunding the pension system.

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Now, that pension fund is saying the situation may be so bleak that even currently retired teachers might have to take a hit.

The Springfield State-Journal register reported over the weekend that pension director Dick Ingram sent a memo to his board on Feb. 9, saying he was no longer confident that the state’s largest pension system will continue to pay it enough money to stay above water. The state owes Ingram’s fund $43 billion.

He cited one forecast that the Teachers Retirement System could be insolvent by 2029.

Ingram said pension funding is under severe threat from the state’s unpaid bills, soaring Medicaid costs and the $85 billion in overall unfunded pension liability, which is expected to rise.

“If that is the case, the only other option available that would significantly change the amount owed is to reduce past service costs for active members and retirees,” Ingram wrote in the memo.

In an interview with the newspaper Friday, Ingram said the state might have to target cost-of-living pension increases, which are currently 3 percent a year and compounded.

“I’m really stuck,” he told the paper. “I have to say that the math is not trueing up with what is constitutional or fair or earned or whatever else.”

Will Lovett, a lobbyist for the Illinois Education Association, said changing benefits for those who have already retired is unconstitutional.

“That is crystal clear in that benefits cannot be modified or changed,” he said.

The Illinois House Republican leader, Rep. Tom Cross (R-Oswego), praised Ingram’s shift in thinking but declined to endorse the idea of altering benefits for those already receiving them.

“I’ve never had members of the General Assembly advocate that,” Cross said. “You’re in a whole different arena with retirees.”

Ingram said that lawmakers have told him the state is unlikely to continue making full pension payments to the fund. As a result, Ingram had a consulting firm to try to determine when the fund could become insolvent. It concluded that it could happen between 2029 and 2049.

Gov. Pat Quinn addressed the pension crisis shortly after releasing his budget plan in February.

“The system is going to be strengthened and stabilized, and everyone has an interest in that, especially the employees,” Quinn said in February. “You can’t have a pension system that goes bust, and we won’t permit that to happen in Illinois.”

“Everybody is going to get a haircut. No one will get scalped – that’s the basic concept,” the governor added.

The governor wouldn’t predict what the haircut will look like.

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  • E M R L

    If the thiefing politicans Madigan Cullerton and Quin quit spending like drunkin sailors cut the lifetime welfare and free rent and medical care for all the illegials and lazy folk we could pay our bills. You cut earned pensions you cut your own pensions, you cut benefits you cut welfare. We need a more OPEN and honest goverment!

  • franz

    OK so here we go again

    Can’t cut existing benefits to retired people which I agree with-they earned their pensions and need them to survive

    State does not pay enough into it and is not likely to start anytime soon so they are basically going to run out of money and not be able to pay the retired teachers anyway-This is such an oxy-moron

    I think they are setting this up so the pension defaults-the politicians will start pointing at each other-the double dippers will have their other pensions to fall back on-and no one will accept responsibility for gross mismanagement, over spending, waste, and corruption-the retirees and us the taxpayers will get shafted once again-Thanks Mike Madigan and the rest of you hacks.

    By the way, my father is a retired teacher, spent 30 years on the job, and receives a modest pension and no socialk security so the rank and file teachers are not to blame here-the state basically paid other bills with the money that was supposed to go for this.

    The politicians that engineered this upcoming failure should be arrested and put in jail-the politicians that are in office and too spineless to do what needs to be done should be fired

  • Dylan

    And they think by NOT giving cost of living raises to retirees that the 45 BILLION dollar shortfall will be fixed. Seriously? No wonder the pension is busted with idiots like we have implementing ridiculous fixes.

    Bust the pension system completely – go to a 401K plan. Do you realize that when the teacher is in there 3rd year of retirement they will have spent ALL THE MONEY THEY PUT INTO THE FUND, and the rest of their life they will be paid by the HARD WORKING TAXPAYER!!! They will make more in retirement than they did their entire career. (3 million is some districts – 15, 211 & 220)

    Tenure, raises based on years worked, multiple raises at the end of career in order to bump up the already ridiculous pensions, retire at 55, double dip, nepotism, only work 7.5 months, raises for Masters, (can be in any field – golf)
    ridiculous salaries for assistant supers, supers, principals, driver’s ed. – ALL THAT NEEDS TO GO AWAY. THEY ARE NOT CURING CANCER, THEY ARE THE CANCER. Anyone with a BA can teach.

    PUBLIC PENSIONS ARE A SCAM ON THE TAXPAYER.

    SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!!!

    • Jim

      Agree with most of your points, but most teachers in Illinois do not put anything into the pension fund. Their Union rats get contracts that have taxpayers pay that portion for them.

      • Jack

        You must just be completely ignorant to how the TRS and SURS systems work. Please know your facts before posting. I pay a minimum of 8.25% per check into the SURS, as do all of the other educators. There is no educator pension system in Illinois that allows that. You must be thinking of the police/fire or civil servants union contracts.

    • Cameltoe Rancher

      “There”, not “their”.

      Great point- we need to spend less money teaching people how to read and write the English language.

      “Me fail English? That’s unpossible”

      • Delboy

        “His”, not “there”.

  • James Kirk

    I could have sworn all that lottery money ment never having a problem paying teachers ever, not in the past, present or future. Oops guess borrowing that money for other stuff was a poor idea.

    • Cameltoe Rancher

      The Lottery has a built-in limit to the money that goes toward education.

  • Alice K

    Jim
    I am a retired Illinois educator. I worked 35 years in Illinois.
    For the entire time of my employment money was deducted from every one of my checks for my pension. As my salary went up, the amount deducted from my check for pension increased. I still have years of pay stubs to prove this statement.

  • Silver

    It’s funny how people with pensions are the bad guys now. Before the economy went south, and people started losing their jobs, no one questioned a retiree getting their long deserved pension.

  • chiviangel

    Where does the teachers’ unions come in on this?? Why aren’t they holding bake sales to raise money? Why didn’t they ever raise the subject of money being needed to pay its teachers? Because it’s our problem?? I don’t think so!! Come out come out wherever you are!! Now open your loud mouths and make jokes about the fact that the unions got paid but the teachers pension has no money!! What is the excuse/reason this time???

  • Cameltoe Rancher

    The unions HAVE been complaining about the State’s leadership lack of funding for decades! Just because that you didn’t hear of it chiviwhatever doesn’t make it untrue. The taxpayers elected the b00bs that have voted to underfund the pension program for decades and now their constituents (THE TAXPAYERS) have to pay the bill. Don’t kill the messenger, it’s what happened. Perhaps next time when the state has an election on a cold & dreary Tuesday we can all get up off of our @sses and no elect b00bs like Blago, Ryan or Quinn.

    AND PS- Chiviangeliron- $10 says that you attended public schools at one point! What a hypocrite it takes to bash the workers of the system that gave that person a chance to earn a career and/or path through life! Pay your damned taxes in the system that helped your lousy @rse!

    • Cameltoe Rancher

      “not elect”
      and
      “It takes a real hypocrite to bash teh workers in the system that gave them a chance to earn a career and/or path to a path through life!”

  • LYNDIA

    for all you dumbos, teachers DO PAY INTO THE PENSION FUND. THEY ARE NOT GETTING A FREE RIDE.

    • MaryOk

      Compare what the teachers contribute to what private sector workers pay into SS. Then compare the benefits, the age that you can collect, the rules about working after benefits begin. It’s obvious the contributions are too low. Additionally, in 1999 major benefit increases were granted and applied to years already worked. No one went back and collected addional contributions for those years. Everyone on SS is facing changes to COLAs, benefits. Public employees better be prepared to face the same realities.

  • hope2retiresoon

    Yes, teachers do pay into the pension fund from day # 1 on the job. The Chicago Public Schools has their own separate pension fund and is not affiliated with the Illinois Teacher Pension Fund but, they too, are not very financially sound….but fairing much better than those in the ITPF. No such thing as a free ride for teachers with obtaining a pension.

  • Pat

    I taught 34 years..Years we would have no raises and sometimes made less than the year before.Even 30 years ago I remember our leadership complaining that the state wasn’t paying into the retirement system at the correct level. Now we are under attack for large pensions…maybe administrators but certainly not rank and file..but we have paid all those years.In my district we paid all of the pension-it was not matched by our employer.To be under attack by people so ignorant that they do not have a clue about how the system works is frustrating .The mess being made of public education will have long lasting repercussions for decades . I know that I can never again recommend teaching as a career in Illinois .

  • Andy

    Soon enough you will feel the freedom from the money hungry unions like your neighbors to the north (Wisconsin)

  • Anastasia Terovolas

    Does anyone care that we in Illinois aren’t allowed to get Social Security? This pension is my only income and I am all alone with no family, no husband. Just me. I supported my parents from the minute I got a teaching job until they died (over 30 years later). I taught for 34 years. I paid into my pension all that time. There was no free ride here. In my district, we went over 11 years with no raises. I never took any money from anyone and never had any help. Do you begrudge me what little I have? Why? I didn’t take it from you.

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  • kevo

    how about a 10% cut in benefits and increase payments into the fund spread the pain

  • Steven

    Unbelievable how quickly people turn on teachers. Did they not teach your children (or grandchildren, nieces, nephews not to mention yourself) for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.

    Teachers sacrificed higher wages in the private sector to educate. The Illinois pension is in dire straits because of poor financial management and pure neglect by the state government and yet many in the public want to leave the teachers out there to suffer.

    Teachers are going to face a tough struggle. I think the best solution is to be safe rather than sorry by saving for themselves for retirement in case they experience a reduction in retirement benefits.

    I have authored an ebook just for teachers titled “The Seven Deadly Sins of Teacher Retirement” that will help you take control of & gain confidence in your retirement.
    http://teachersretirementhelp.com/7-deadly-sins/

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